So last night I did some playing around on a philosophy assignment. I had to do a dialogue between Plato and Aristotle. I call onto all experts, and those that enjoy the subject to read it and tell me what you think. Here it is…. Epitaphs Plato v.Aristotle
Plato: Aristotle, may I ask you why you disagree with my theory of forms? Can you explain, or reveal your thoughts as to why? Better yet, express a theory you could replace my theory with.
Aristotle: Sure, do you mind answering some questions for me? Just to confirm my understanding of your theory.
Aristotle: Is it safe to assume that the way you define the word ‘form’ in your theory of forms is synonymous with the word ideas?
Aristotle: Ideas are perfect as long as they are in your mind. Would you agree with that statement?
Plato: Yes, I would agree with that statement.
Aristotle: This could be taken a step forward, a step so far that even you will disagree with it. Would you like to hear my progression based on your theory?
Aristotle: According to your theory of form every idea a person has is perfect, and every attempt to bring life to that idea is imperfect. Is that right?
Plato: Yes it is. I’ve said this before.
Aristotle: Do you realize that someone could very well take your theory and assume you are insulting the Gods, or at the very least someone could interpret it in that way.
Plato: What do you mean? You believe that I imply that God’s are flawed? You think that my theory of form can lead someone to believe such as thing?
Aristotle: That, and worse. You see, if the idea of something is perfect and to create it makes it imperfect you must consider the world around you, the environment, everything around us, the Earth itself.
Plato: Interesting, I believe I know where this is going, but carry on.
Aristotle: Do you think the Earth is perfect? If you answer ‘yes’ you must believe that it is only an idea, not really in existence because if in existence it would be imperfect. And keep in mind that if you said ‘no’, that you’re saying the Earth is not perfect, and Earth has a creator, more than likely a God.
Plato: In both instances the Earth is an idea in my theory.
Aristotle: According to you.
Aristotle: If the Earth, as the example is an idea, are me and you only thoughts? Do you see now how extreme your theory can be? Taken too far someone that could abide by, and believe in it could question existence as a whole. Because if things are perfect as ideas, they are only ideas. Untouchable, you cannot touch an idea can you?
Plato: No, you cannot.
Aristotle: Then what happens when whoever’s mind we are in, whoever is having this idea stops thinking? We will cease to exist, along with the world and everything in it.
Plato: I see.
Aristotle: And on a lighter note your theory leads to even worse, even more elaborately ridiculousness.
Plato: Such as?
Aristotle: Alternate Earths, alternate universes. See, with a planet as an example of a thought, you must keep in mind that us as human beings are thinkers, even those of us that are less educated, such as the slaves. One can easily think of a planet, as an idea, then skip on to the next thought. That planet no longer exists, that thought is no more, along with the life on that thought of a perfect planet, and the thoughts that the life on that planet. And that cycle goes on and on.
Plato: Interesting play on my theory. Do you have an alternative?
Aristotle: Sure, make your term “form” more literal. If something is to exist, it will simply exist. Why bother to label it with perfection, or imperfections?
Plato: Please explain.
Aristotle: Things exist for a reason, reasons other than the fact that someone thought of them. Things exist being the realm of ideas. There is a cause, four causes to be exact.
Plato: Interesting, keep going.
Aristotle: The first cause is the materials that make an object exist. The second cause is what made the object, what, or who put these materials together to create this object. The third cause pertains to your word “form”. But form is not an idea, it is simply the shape of the object. And the last cause is the purpose of this object, why was it built.
Plato: Interesting thoughts, and ideas. It would be a shame if I my form theory were correct.
Aristotle: Why is that? It would only be a shame for me because I would be wrong.